Right. I don't disagree with this. I think the entire debate was filmed - hopefully my staff will be able to put it online somewhere and one can see better what happened during the debate.

I think a big part of the problem is popularising the issue of control - why are our main public security agencies (law enforcement, militaries and security agencies) sponsoring an "insecurity industry"?

I was greatly dissatisfied that I forget to mention during the debate that the NATO guy description of the friendly community of security workers exchanging confidential information in one big happy family actually also means that its at the military's discretion who gets to be secure and who doesn't get to be secure - the problem of these institutions is that unless you're on personally friendly terms with at least one military guy you're not going to have anything even remotely similar to a standing chance of a secure system. Normally we associate that type of ethical, political and economical control focalized in the military with dictatorship, authoritarian rule and arbitrariness. What is it that makes us unable to have the same insight when it comes to online markets?

Its a tough nut to crack.